tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274757246538504796.post1926029267202965836..comments2024-03-28T02:08:57.016-07:00Comments on Old Geezers Out to Lunch: Is Equality Really What We Want?The Geezershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12132213545989946724noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274757246538504796.post-87644850632651928672013-06-10T02:34:39.309-07:002013-06-10T02:34:39.309-07:00Only that he's doing the opposite of getting p...Only that he's doing the opposite of getting people fit. OMGPOP was founded in 2006, creating 35 other social games first on its own social network and then on Facebook and mobile platforms. 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Throughout elementary and middle school, the education they received in school was pretty paltry compared the education we provided them outside the system—museum trips, language camps, etc. etc. <br /><br />And the high school IB program was one in which they were grouped with other students of the same aspirations and skill levels. Here, finally, there was no insistence that all students of all abilities and enthusiasm had to be in the same classrooms. And my kids benefited greatly from it <br /><br />I fail to see why a similar approach isn't used in elementary and middle schools. Perhaps its because the kids at the middle of the skills spectrum get some benefit from rubbing elbows with the high achievers?<br /><br />If so, then we should say so. But we really can't pretend that it is an ideal system for all kids, as some defenders seem to say. If it a great system, then the US education standard wouldn't be falling when compared to the skill levels of other developed nations.<br /><br />Surely we can agree that we need improvement?<br /><br />An interesting discussion. Please do continue the conversation if you feel like it. <br /><br />-MercuriousThe Geezershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12132213545989946724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274757246538504796.post-24716253090865065042013-02-08T11:47:23.121-08:002013-02-08T11:47:23.121-08:00David, you're making the assumption that worki...David, you're making the assumption that working hard automatically leads to achieving. Frankly, sometimes it doesn't. My job is to realize that the child that simply can't keep his hands off things is a future engineer. Does it benefit him, or the world, to view that as a behavior problem rather than a difference in how minds work? The child who seemingly "never pays attention" might be sent to the principals office--or I can find out what he's looking at in those moments and learn he really likes space--there's your theoretical scientist. <br /><br />I see countless times that a child can work EXTREMELY hard, and it fails to yield results. I have to pay more attention to that child, so he does not become discouraged and drop out down the line. Kids brains are notoriously tricky and complex things to navigate. <br /><br />If you're worried about the future scientists and leaders, you should be worried if we focus ONLY on the children that will work hard no matter what, that are naturally smart, and have the attitude that they should behave. Correct me if I'm wrong Mercurious, but based on your posts it seems your children are doing pretty well, and you're extremely proud of them. It is precisely my effort with these so-called "problem children" that will give you your leaders. <br /><br />p.s.<br />Can't figure out how to post my name! Its Julie from Minneapolis!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274757246538504796.post-15244873498206833892013-01-31T18:19:25.898-08:002013-01-31T18:19:25.898-08:00Anonymous, I know your view is that it is wrong fo...Anonymous, I know your view is that it is wrong for high achievers to be treated better than other students. But I frankly think that it perhaps makes sense. Aren't we premised as a society on the idea that strong effort returns benefits? Why should a kid who is a behavior problem or a student who puts forth only modest effort get the same benefit as the student who works really hard to achieve?David O.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274757246538504796.post-18877558140309838192013-01-30T15:34:56.026-08:002013-01-30T15:34:56.026-08:00Anonymous, you do pick out some logical flaws in m...Anonymous, you do pick out some logical flaws in my discussion. Clearly the school example is not one where I believe the rights of the few outweigh the rights of the many. Much the opposite in fact—here's one where the needs of the many outrank the needs of an important few. <br /><br />And I'm sure you're right about the studies that say the current system is the best. But I suspect what they show is that it is the best because it produces modest improvement for students at the lower and intermediate end of the achievement scale. But in volunteer activities in our local schools, I'm appalled by the number of very bright students who become bored and lackluster because teachers are doing remedial training (or worse, baby-sitting duties) for kids who have little interest in learning. If these kids get engaged at all, it is because of volunteers or afterschool programs, not the main cirriculum. <br /><br />I would maintain that in this instance we are neglecting a rather crucial group of young students—the best and the brightest , who with the proper attention can go on to do great things. Because we're neglecting them, public schools in general see an exodus to private schools or home schooling. <br /><br />Mind you, I'm not completely lacking in experience here, though not with your depth obviously. I'm the son of a teacher, and have both a wife and daughter working in the public school system. Many of our social friends are teachers, and I've been part of the education community for decades. <br /><br />I simply feel that the effort to raise the median (a noble effort, to be sure) is causing us to sacrifice the top. It was not until my own kids moved to a high school with a international baccalaureate program that they started to excel. Elementary and middle school frankly did not qualify as education for them, as the whole focus there was on making sure that as many kids as possible pass the testing standards. There was very little effort there to provide opportunities for genuinely enthusiastic students. <br /><br />I most certainly respect your opinion, and am sure it is actually the approach that best helps the most students. I just worry about the larger cost to our future scientists and leaders. The Geezershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12132213545989946724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274757246538504796.post-27019370810533553412013-01-30T12:59:35.828-08:002013-01-30T12:59:35.828-08:00:-) I agree with the bulk of your post,sir.
Pear...:-) I agree with the bulk of your post,sir.<br /><br />PearlPearlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05261369905176088917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274757246538504796.post-45617373803857045652013-01-29T06:11:24.887-08:002013-01-29T06:11:24.887-08:00As one of those "female school teachers"...As one of those "female school teachers" you mention, I feel the need to pipe up here. <br /><br />The VAST majority of studies out there (and yes, I mean about 95%) supports the idea that differentiating classrooms is a bad idea--i.e. don't put all the smart kids together, don't put all the "problem" kids together. It does not, in fact, give them any particular benefit. <br /><br />Actually, I see the multitude of benefits that children get from having to interact with all different kinds of children, including those with disabilities that happen to be mainstreamed in their classrooms. It does not mean they fall behind, it means they gain the social skills that are so vital to their survival later in life. I am in no way advocating that children with severe disabilities should be mainstreamed--particularly those with behavioral issues that could present a danger to their classmates, but rather the benefits that a child, even a genius, could gain from such interaction. <br /><br />I would not say that we are "sacrificing the many" to accommodate the few. I would say this system is to the benefit of the majority. If some students are at a disadvantage, it is certainly not the majority of them. And frankly, why is ok for the lower-achieving students to be at a disadvantage, rather than the high-achieving ones? I would say the percentage of both is about the same. Do the high achieving students deserve better than others? <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274757246538504796.post-21764809214286539922013-01-29T04:37:27.957-08:002013-01-29T04:37:27.957-08:00Thanks to Joeh, Lowandslow, and Susan for their co...Thanks to Joeh, Lowandslow, and Susan for their comments. Susan, I'm not sure what it is about my post that screams old white man to you (although yes, I happen to be white and not very young anymore). But I surely have heard women comment on some of these same issues—the problems of mainstreaming disabled students in public schools, for example, is often expressed by female teachers in schools.<br /><br />As regards whether I'd want those paved trails in Yellowstone....not so sure about that. The promise of genuine wilderness will be a genuine comfort to me in old age, I think. Knowing that there are areas of our landscape that are difficult to access—and the memories of seeing them when I was younger and abled—is a romantic notion that would be important to me no matter what my physical competence. I think we'd be much the worse off if we turned all of society and all of nature into an egalitarian experience. The Geezershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12132213545989946724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274757246538504796.post-16245625433489010432013-01-28T04:55:31.752-08:002013-01-28T04:55:31.752-08:00Frankly this post sounds like the whining of many ...Frankly this post sounds like the whining of many an old white man who hates the fact that he no longer gets preferential treatment in our society. Tough luck, gramps. Others in our society have languished for years, and we can't really begrudge having the playing field leveled a little bit. When you wind up in a wheelchair in a few years (sounds like it won't be far off), my guess is that you'll want that paved trail through Yellowstone National Park. Susan M.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274757246538504796.post-48257609570917811532013-01-27T10:43:17.801-08:002013-01-27T10:43:17.801-08:00Excellent points. As a society we haved dumbed do...Excellent points. As a society we haved dumbed down to the lowest common denominator for every situation. Common sense has vanished. The net result is that we are NOT better for it, but worse. We all need to be encouraged to find and exploit our strengths, and we all have strengths. We can't expect to compete in areas where we're weak and win. That's just not gonna happen, and we shouldn't expect it.<br /><br />SLowandslowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08608734222483888884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274757246538504796.post-859208300327863862013-01-27T10:07:55.183-08:002013-01-27T10:07:55.183-08:00Ah, but the beauty of rules for everything, and eq...Ah, but the beauty of rules for everything, and equality for all is we no longer have to think...thinking is so stressful.<br /><br />Blind runners have an advantage, they are conditioned by sight and see the smoke from the gun before others hear the gun...It is sooo unfair to able hearing runners!joehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08520161706680568508noreply@blogger.com